OK, I SUPPOSE WE WILL JUST HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE ON THE SUBJECTS WE HAVE DISCUSSED. IT IS OBVIOUS, WE HAVE BOTH CHOSEN OUR PATHS IN LIFE AND ARE HAPPY WITH THEM. I AM KIND OF HARD HEADED THAT WAY, AS I SUPPOSE YOU ARE AS WELL.

BUT, I HAVE ENJOYED OUR DISCUSSIONS AND I AM GLAD TO HEAR YOUR HEALTH IS MUCH IMPROVED. WITH SPRING COMING SOON, I SUPPOSE YOU WILL BE BACK OUT IN THAT BOAT ENJOYING YOURSELF, AND SNAPPING MORE PICS OF THE BEAUTY YOU SEE. YOU SHOULD POST SOME OF THEM ON YOUR PAGE. THAT WOULD BE NICE. I AM ALSO AN OUTDOOR, FISHERMAN , NATURE LOVER. AND, HAVE A BOAT THAT I REALLY ENJOY SO MUCH. SO, I KNOW HOW MUCH FUN ALL OF THAT CAN BE.

WELL, I WISH YOU WELL JAKE, AND HOPE YOUR LIFE IS BLESSED. THANKS FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONVERSATION AND INSIGHT. IT HAS BEEN VERY INTERESTING! TAKE CARE, AND MAYBE I WILL VISIT YOUR PAGE NOW AND THEN AND DROP YOU A HELLO.

HAPPY BOATING!
JHAAS

There are many things about this world, life, the Universe and God that we do not know for sure, and will not know as long as we are earth bound in this life. But, the Bible says, (and i dont recall the book or chapter) we will know all things and why they were, when we are in the presence of God. Our questions will all be answered, and we will then understand. Until then, we are required to have faith and trust God completely. And, I just believe, God had a reason for not allowing us the ” all knowing ” wisdom He has. Gods wisdom, in the hands of mankind, would be POWER. And, you and I know how man would abuse that power to his own benefit.—against this world, and everyone in it. And, even against God Himself, if that were possible. If you read the book of Genesis, there are passages that speak of an angel, (God created being) that chose to rebel against God his Creator. And, one third of the angels in heaven rebelled with him and followed him. The Bible says, they came to this earth and were giving the “secrets of God” to humans and trying to breed a race of angel/man that would also rebel against God and his plan for mankind. It also says humans were created a little lower than the angels. We were not given the intelligence, power or physical/spiritual abilities of angels. That angel of authority was named Lucifer, or Satan. And the one third of angels who followed him in his rebellion against God, are what the Bible refers to as demons, the princes of the air, and evil spirits. They are the ones who taught mankind evil and wickedness, and rebellion against God. Because of that rebellion (sin) all mankind is born with a sinful nature. As we discussed earlier, we both agree even innocent children will choose to lie, rather than tell the truth, because it is within thier nature to do so. I did not teach my children to lie. It just comes naturally to humans young and old because of our sin nature. But, I believe, God does not hold innocents (children) accountable for thier sins, until they reach the age of awareness, and know in thier hearts (souls) the difference between right and wrong, good and bad. The Bible says we are all given a measure of faith, and I believe that is also a measure of God and His Nature of Holiness, Rightousness and Love. And I also believe we choose whether we listen to that part of our nature, or the part that chooses to rebel against God. (the sin nature). Well, it is alot more detailed and complicated than I explained it, but in depth research and study in the Bible reveals it all. I personally have so much more to learn and study, so, I am sometimes limited in my understanding of it all.

You should not be opposed to reading the Bible, as it is Gods Holy Word. It does not represent religion of any kind, or propose the advancement of any religion. If you read the Bible, you will see how Christ was against the jewish rabbis who had turned from Gods laws to benefit and profit themselves. To glorify themselves, rather than God. And, all through out the old testament, it speaks of Gods anger toward the Israelites for thier sins against Him, because He had chosen them to reveal Himself to the world, through Christ and His Word. They often chose to follow the ways of this world, worshipping idols and pagen beliefs, rather than Gods law. And, He punished them for it. So, i dont find it a reasonable arguement to say the Jews wrote the Bible, to benefit themselves, and control others. Why would they have chosen to be persecuted, murdered and enslaved? That makes no sense what so ever. They did not choose that for themselves. God punished them for rebelling against Him and His laws. If it were their choice, these things would never have happened to them or continue to happen to them to this day. In fact, it was the San Hedrons (the jewish religious leaders) who demanded Christ be crucified for saying He was the Son of God. In the Bible it also speaks of Christ going to the temple and becoming so angered he threw out the money changers for desecrating Gods Holy temple. So, your arguement,( and obvious dislike of the jewish people,) doesnt hold water in my opinion–in regards to whom you believe wrote, manipulated and dispersed thier own religion and beliefs. That arguement just doesnt have any merit. Most jews today do not believe in the Bible or believe the Messiah has ever come, inspite of the prophecies thier own people scribed and pass down through out thier entire history. And, God has held them accountable for that. Like the Bible says, “to whom much is given, much is expected”. But, God is forgiving and mercifull in all His ways, and the Bible says He will again bring His chosen back to thier land, and will cause them to know He is thier God and they are His people. How do you explain the great jewish return to the land of Israel? That is a prophecy that is thousands of years old, being fullfilled today in our lifetime. Why would they choose to return to a land where they are continuously bombed, murdered, kidnapped, and persecuted on a daily basis? They could choose to live in areas where they are no longer persecuted and afflicted. So, why would they go back to that? I believe God is calling them back so that His plan for this world will be fullfilled as written. There is no other explaination. And, I believe those beings you spoke of, who came to earth to teach man how to live and advance, and who you say brought life here or “creation” are the very same beings the Bible refers to as fallen angels in rebellion against God. They are fighting for this world and every soul on this planet, past present and future. There is a spiritual war going on in the heavens (sky) that is coming to this earth. The prophet Daniel spoke to an Angel of God, Gabriel, who told Daniel, “I would have been here sooner, but i was held up in battle with the prince of Persia.(Daniel 10:13). So, this is an ancient battle, that will soon come to our earth, if it hasnt already. But, the book of Revelation tells us, who is the victor of the battel. And, it is Christ. He will come and destroy all evilness and wickedness on this earth, and will cast satan and his demons in hell for all eternity. Those who chose to follow satan and his ways will be given the punishment they chose when they followed him, rather than Christ and Gods laws. Those who followed Christ will be rewarded with eternal life in the presence of God. Why would anyone choose hell? You said you believe there is a hell. Why would you choose that for yourself? When, you could have the reward that comes in following Christ? I just can not understand, why, with your intelligence you would choose eternal damnation and punishment. You say on your web page you enjoy boating, nature, photography, and family. Why do you believe you could never enjoy life and all those wonderful things, if you chose to follow Christ? He is the creator of all things, And, He put them here for us to enjoy. He created those things so that we would know who He is and glorify Him for it. He didnt give us those things to worship or idolize, He gave us those things so that we could see Him in it, and give Him the glory for it. Jake, creation does not advance anything, (like you agree) and creation doesnt create anything. Creation Is the Handiwork of God and God alone. And, why do you blame God, for the religion and false beliefs that man has created, with the help of Satan? You say above, “breaking away from a lifetime of religious control was hard to do, but i was determined to find the truth about life while i still had time to enjoy it.” Do you not realize, this is the very same thing Christ did? He shattered the control and false beliefs of religion, and was crucified for it. Yet, that was His plan of salvation for all. He proved He was the Son of God, by defeating sin, death and the grave, when He rose again. Had He not been crucified (as prophecied) and shed his blood, for the remission (payment) of our sins, he would have had no purpose in coming here. We would all be condemned already, just because of our sinful nature. Jesus Christ was the Messiah, Saviour of the world, God with us. Without the sacrifice of His Holy, sinless blood, we and our blood would be held accountable. But, our blood is of a sin nature, and is not acceptable for sacrifice in Gods Holy Rightousness. God’s Rightousness can not, and will not allow sin to thrive in His presence. So, He had to find a pure, sinless blood to make that sacrifice in our behalf. He chose His Son, because there was no other rightous blood. Christ was called the sacrificial Lamb of God. Without His Holy Blood and sacrifice on the cross, we and our souls would have no hope.

I dont mean to pick apart your character or motives, but it seems to me, you hold an anger against your father, the Baptist preacher, who apparently controlled you through, and because of his religious beliefs. Again Jake, he was a man. Not God. He did that to you, Not God. I think you blame God for that, or because of that. Your father, right or wrong, was a mere human being who makes mistakes, has faults and is far from being perfect. I think you blame his religion, all religions, for what ever unhappiness your father may have caused you. Or, perhaps you were a rebellious, head strong child who refused to follow the rules or accept appropriate behaviour. Many children, for what ever reasons, are that way, —-against all thier parents try to teach them. In fact, all children, will rebell against thier parents, and against authority at some point in thier lives. That is not unusual and certainly not unheard of. I rebelled against my parents as well. But, as an adult , with children of my own, I realize, most of the reasons why i rebelled, and why my parents were the way they were. Like you, I was also raised in the Baptist religion. And, I must admitt, there were many rules that just did not seem fair or needed—that were placed there by the Baptist beliefs. No dancing. No drinking. No everything, it seemed like to me. And, my parents and family strictly abided by those rules. They believed it made them more Godly, and an example to others. And, the punishment for violating those rules was harsh. As an adult, i can now understand the lesson, standards and morals they tried to instill in me, even though perhaps they sometimes went about it the wrong way. I have had to accept that and move on, while making sure I didnt do the same to my own children in the process. And, i had to make a choice as well. Did I want to hate my parents for it, or forgive them? I chose to forgive them, because that is what Christ says we must do. Where would we all be if Christ chose not to forgive our sins?. LOST! so, He asks that we forgive others, including our enemies. And, now as an adult, I am thankful for the standards, morals, beliefs and lessons my parents taught me. I have tried to instill the same in my own children to the best of my ability. And, I am happy to say, I have 4 children who are loving, kind, gentle, giving, law abiding, adults, who try to help those in need, give what they have if someone needs it more, and are kind and loving to everyone they meet. They are also all Christian. It wasnt always easy or good. I had 4–two boys and two girls, so everything that could have gone wrong–went wrong. i spent many nights crying and praying for children who were being sucked into the things of this world that could only lead to personal disaster and disappointment. But, just like you and i , they had to figuar that out for themselves. And, because of that, I have learned many things from my own children that are absolutely amazing. And, through it all, i know without a doubt, it was the hand of God who brought them and me through those trying times. They are all now young adults with thier first children coming along. And they are amazing parents and people. I dont know what your circimstances were, but, I hope you do not blame God, for what humans have done to you or against you. The last thing Christ is, is controlling. His Love, is freedom and peace. Like He said, “Peace that passes all understanding” not the peace this world gives, but His peace that breaks all the bondage of sin, blame, fault, unhappiness, and slavery to this world. Through Christ you can achieve perfect fullfillment and enjoyment of life. The way it was created to be, and the way we were created to be. We were not created to be controlled, and persecuted and held down by this world. We were created in Gods image, to be full of joy and hope and peace and love and happiness. It is the sins of man that have made this world the place it is. You say you were determined to find the truth about life while you still had time to enjoy it. I plead with you to find Christ, and you will find the truth you search for, as well as the peace and freedom to enjoy the rest of your life on this earth, as well as eternal life with Christ. Without Christ, you will never find that peace and fullfillment in this world or the next. You will only find and empty man made peace that will fail you when you need it most. Choose Christ, and life, before you pass into eternity. Choose it now Jake, while you still can! I will continue to pray for you, and ask the Lord to reveal Himself to you. I will also ask the Lord to guard and protect your health so that you can make your choice for Him before it is too late. I look forward to hearing from you.

I don’t know how Creation came about…and I could also ask you do you know who created the God that you worship…but I won’t because I know you don’t have an answer. The answer is as elusive as the answer to: “Where does space end?” isn’t it? There is no intelligent answer that a earth human can come up with and I know some do come up with an answer…but it’s not very intelligent…more like a guess and not a good one at all.
I don’t believe Creation moves us forward. I believe that it gives us the ability to move ourselves forward…and the earth does change…I believe in micro-evolution…but not in the cross spices evolution that Darwin proposed and is taught in the Socialist schools systems here in the US. Neither do I believe that some god picked up some dirt here on this planet and made the complex bodies of humans and animals. I do believe that some being, and I say being for a lack of a better word right off the top of my head, did design and make the first human and animal bodies…as well as anything that has life as we know it. I believe that Creation created the earth and the millions of planets, suns, solar systems and universes, though a process that it set up, and that people/beings from far older universes than ours, brought everything that has life to earth in their travels, and therefore there is really nothing native to earth. Some of the things they brought here survived and others didn’t…either by earth changes or by whatever that put them here coming back and destroying them for some reason. The dinosaurs for example.
Creation don’t control people…humans control their own lives…as much as the government will let them. The only thing you can blame the downward spiral of morals etc. on is humans…and I don’t believe that humans have become more intelligent…they have gained more knowledge, but not more intelligence…and most have decided that they no longer need morals! This has nothing to do with Creation! But when a soul learns how to live it’s earthly life as the one that put hem here wants them to, they advance to another world when their earth body dies. It appears to me that religion has kept people so dumbed down to the truth about life, that most of the people here now are repeating their earthly lives and have done so many times…and will many more time unless they go to Hell for a few lives before they can get back here.
Humans have screwed the weather up! Do you know what chemtrails and weather modification is? Need I say more? The same can be said for bio-weapons. In other words; man, not Creation has screwed this planet up and are continuing to do so each day!
Of course a child will tell you a lie…they have learned that by doing so they can save their ass, or so they think! The first lies they tell have nothing to do with right or wrong…they find it less painful to tell a lie.
Creation doesn’t advance people. You and you alone are responsible for your advancement or regression. I for one sure have learned a lot about life and how it should be lived in the past few years…ever since a heart valve replacement laid me low and I took time to smell the roses. My dad was a Baptist preacher and I had known all along that his religion was BS…but breaking away from a lifetime of religious control was hard to do…but I was determined to find the truth about life while I still had time to enjoy it.
Some of the evidence you see in others of advancement is in the ones that live their lives with morals, kindness, patience, and respect for life and all of nature. They are not controlled by a religion, most are not wealthy, they help others, and none have anything to do with the government or military…They are not depressed, stressed out, trying to control others, and they enjoy their lives…they will live their next life on a more advanced planet.

You say infants are not born evil. And i do agree with that. But, i have raised 4 children of my own, and i can tell you the sweetest most innocent child will, in a very short time, upon learning to speak, tell you a lie. Ex: Who colored on my wall? child response: “i didnt”. Who made this mess? child response, ” i dont know”. The point is, the more awareness aquired, the less human nature improves. People are not improving or advancing as they age. And yes, they do learn evil early on in this world. So, how do you explain the missing “creation” advancement and improvement theory you have? You seem to think creation is a powerful entity that will move and advance us along from life to life until we reach perfection. However, i have not observed that to be the case. If it were, we would see that powerful change in many people, even in the earth itself—in all of creation. If it were so powerfull to move us to greater understanding and advance us to the next level, surely we would see evidence of it. Sorry Jake, but that theory in my opinion is a ZERO factor in the human circumstance.

You say you have no religion? Oh please, who are you kidding? Certainly not me. You most certainly BELIEVE SOME STRANGE form of religion. The Kind God called FALSE! THE SPIRIT OF ANTI-CHRIST. THE DOCTRINE OF DEMONS. AND, YOU WORSHIP “CREATION”. THAT IS WHAT GOD CALLS A FALSE GOD. YOU KNOW JAKE, IF YOU DONT WORSHIP THE ONE TRUE GOD, THEN YOU WORSHIP A FALSE GOD. GOD KEEPS IT SIMPLE. TRUE OR FALSE, RIGHT OR WRONG. THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND YOU ARE A VERY INTELLIGENT PERSON. SO, PLEASE DONT INSULT YOUR OWN OBVIOUSLY HIGH INTELLIGENCE, OR MINE. I THINK YOU MUST BE VERY YOUNG, AND/ OR VERY CONFUSED. ARE YOU ANGRY AT GOD FOR SOME REASON? DO YOU HAVE SOME PERCIEVED NOTION IN YOUR MIND, BELIEVING GOD DID YOU WRONG? I HOPE THAT ISNT THE CASE, BUT, IF IT IS—ITS OK JAKE. YOU ARE ONLY AN “EARTH HUMAN”, AND GOD IS LONG SUFFERING WITH US “EARTH HUMANS” YOU SEE, HE UNDERSTANDS ALL OF OUR FAULTS AND DOWNFALLS. HE UNDERSTANDS WE CAN NEVER HAVE THE INFINITE WISDOM OR POWER HE HAS. AND, HE FORGIVES US FOR THAT. HE JUST WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHO HE IS, AND WHAT THE TRUTH IS. GOD SAYS HE IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION. HIS WORD WILL BE THE TRUTH YOU AND I, AND ALL EARTH HUMANS WILL BE JUDGED BY. YOU MIGHT SAY THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AIR, BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT SEE IT, TOUCH IT OR FEEL IT. BUT, THAT DOESNT MEAN IT DOESNT EXIST JUST BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IT DOESNT. JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT BELIEVE IN GOD, DOESNT MEAN HE DOESNT EXIST. AND, THE BIBLE SAYS, ONLY A FOOL WOULD SAY THERE IS NO GOD. THE POINT IS JAKE, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IN GOD OR NOT, YOU WILL SOMEDAY STAND IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD, AND YOU WILL KNOW WITH OUT A DOUBT WHO HE IS. AND, THOUGH YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE IT NOW, THE BIBLE SAYS, EVERY KNEE WILL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD. YEP, THAT MEANS YOU TOO JAKE. THERE WONT BE A MOTHER SHIP COMING TO RESCUE YOU FROM THE PRESENCE OF A HOLY LIVING GOD. AND, HE WILL MOST DEFINITELY HAVE YOUR COMPLETE UNDIVIDED ATTENTION. EVERY ONE OF US WILL FACE OUR CREATOR , FACE TO FACE. YOU CANT ESCAPE THAT DESTINY NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU DONT BELIEVE IT. WE ALLHAVE A PERSONAL UPFRONT, FACE TO FACE, APPOINTMENT WITH THE GOD OF ABRAHAM , ISAAK AND JACOB, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT. ALSO KNOWN AS THE GREAT I AM. HE IS KNOWN IN THE BIBLE BY MANY NAMES, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS, CREATION IS NOT ONE OF HIS NAMES. MOHAMMED IS NOT ONE OF HIS NAMES.. BUDHA IS NOT ONE OF HIS NAMES. YOU ALSO SAID JESUS WAS CALLED JMMANUEL AND HE WAS NOT THE SON OF GOD. YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE NAME IMMANUEL MEANS. IT IS HEBREW. EL MEANING “GOD”. AND IMMANU MEANING “WITH US” THUS THE NAME IMMANUEL IN HEBREW MEANS “GOD WITH US’. NOW, THATS A STRANGE NAME FOR SOMEONE TO GIVE A MERE EARTH HUMAN BABY, EVEN IF HE WAS “ADVANCED”. WOULDNT YOU SAY? BUT, FOR SOME REALLY STRANGE REASON IMMANUEL OR GOD WITH US, MATCHES EXACTLY WHO JESUS SAID HE WAS. THE SON OF GOD. AND DONT FORGET THAT OTHER REALLY STRANGE THING JESUS SAID, IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE SON, YOU HAVE ALSO SEEN THE FATHER. NO MAN COMETH TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY THE SON. HMMMMMMM—NOW I JUST WONDER WHY HE KEPT SAYING THINGS LIKE THAT. OR WHY THOSE PESKY PROPHETS KEPT SAYING(A COUPLE OF THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE) THE MESSIAH WOULD COME AND FULLFILL THE ROLE OF PROPHET, PRIEST, AND KING. (LITTLE FACT FOR YA JAKE. NO OTHER MAN HAS EVER, IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, HELD THE TITLE OF PROPHET, PRIEST, AND KING!) SO, YOU ARE PARTIALLY CORRECT IN SAYING IMMANUEL, “JESUS” WAS A PROPHET. BUT, HE WAS SO MUCH MORE.
ALSO, CREATION IS NOT A PERSON, PLACE OR THING. CREATION IS THE RESULT OF AN ACTION. KIND OF LIKE HOT AND COLD AIR COLLIDING, WHICH RESULTS IN THE SOUND OF THUNDER. WITH OUT THE ACTION OF HOT AND COLD AIR COLLIDING, THERE WOULD BE NO RESULT OF THUNDER. GET IT? THE ACT OF CREATION IS CAUSING SOMETHING TO EXIST, HAPPEN OR BEGIN. SO, THERE HAD TO BE A CREATOR, FOR THERE TO BE A CREATION. ME, YOU, EARTH, THE UNIVERSE ARE THE RESULT OR ACTION OF THE CREATOR THAT CAUSED ALL OF THAT “CREATION ” TO EXIST OR COME INTO BEING, OR HAPPEN. AND, YOU SAY WE WERE NOT CREATED EVIL, WE ARE TAUGHT EVIL. WOW, THATS THE FIRST TIME I EVER HEARD ANYONE SAY THAT. BUT, LET ME ASK YOU. YOU SAY WE WERE NOT CREATED EVIL. SO, WHO DO YOU SAY CREATED US? REMEMBER, THE WORD “CREATED” IS AN ACTION OR RESULT OF. SO, WHO DO YOU SAY WAS THE HAND BEHIND THAT “CREATED” EVENT. AND, DONT GIVE ME THAT B.S. THAT CREATION CREATED THE CREATED. WE BOTH KNOW BETTER. YOU ARE NO DUMMIE, NOR AM I. SO, PLEASE EXPLAIN WHO WAS DOING THE CREATING HERE, THAT YOU REFERRED TO. I WILL BE WAITING TO HEAR FROM YOU WITH GREAT ANTICIPATION.!

P.S. DONT BE ANGRY OR UPSET. SORRY MY FIRST RESPONSE WAS SAYING YOU ARE A LIAR. I DONT MEAN THAT LITERALLY. JUST SAID THAT TO PROVE A POINT. WE ALL BELIEVE IN SOMETHING. CALL IT WHAT YOU WILL, WHETHER RELIGION OR SELF MADE BELIEF. ONE WAY OR OTHER, IT BECOMES OUR SO CALLED RELIGION. OR BELIEF SYSTEM. YOU, JAKE ARE A CURIOUS SUBJECT. I MUST ADMITT. HA

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