Criminal State, Distorted Media, Israel lobby, Washington Politics
Time for an American Intifada?
February 4, 2010 by Jeff Gates · 41 Comments
During the 1960 Christmas season, Americans flocked to the theaters to see Exodus, a 3-1/2 hour epic film featuring handsome freedom fighters and a riveting romance amidst the heroic triumph of Jewish Destiny over Arab Evil Doers. Set against a Yuletide backdrop of Biblical prophecy, moviegoers marveled as exiled Jews returned to their fabled promised land, a staple of popular culture to which Americans are first exposed as children in “Sunday school.”
Many moviegoers failed to realize that Exodus was not fact but fiction. Even now, few Americans realize the storyline was adapted for the screen from a 1958 novel by Leon Uris. The biggest bestseller since Gone with the Wind—a novel set during the Civil War of the 1860s—the film adaptation was directed by Hollywood icon Otto Preminger. The blockbuster’s stars included a young Paul Newman with his leading lady a blond Eva Marie Saint.
The cast included character actor Lee J. Cobb and Peter Lawford, married to Pat Kennedy, a sister of John F. Kennedy who was elected president the same year. By then, Lawford was a famous member of pop culture’s high profile “Rat Pack” that included singer Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis, Jr. and Joey Bishop. Italian crooner Sal Mineo, then a teen heartthrob, received an Academy Award nomination for his portrayal of a Jewish émigré.
An Oscar should have been awarded to Israel and its supporters for portraying this extremist enclave as a legitimate nation-state when, in reality, its founding traces to an alluring storyline. Forty-five years after the release of Exodus, American naiveté was again targeted by Jewish storytellers to induce the U.S. to war in the Middle East—only this time for real.
Then as now, Americans are easily swayed by sympathetic portrayals of an enclave granted nation-state recognition by President Harry Truman, a Christian-Zionist. The Missouri Democrat had famously read the Bible cover-to-cover five times by age 15. Truman was a True Believer in the same way that fundamentalist Christians believe—truly believe—that their Messiah will not return until the “Israelites” recover their ancestral home.
Preying on similar beliefs, Republican George W. Bush, another Christian-Zionist president, was induced with phony intelligence to wage war in Iraq. The false intelligence was traceable to Israelis, pro-Israelis or assets developed for that purpose. That invasion had long been a priority goal of those who believe—truly believe—in their right to an expansionist Greater Israel.
Yet as Shlomo Sand chronicles in The Invention of the Jewish People (2009), the historical evidence is scant either for an exile or an “exodus.” As with the movie, the return of a “Jewish People” to a Jewish homeland is “a conscious ideological composition” meant “to claim a higher cultural lineage” than what can be supported by the facts.
In lieu of the novel-writing skills of Leon Uris, the Zionist narrative featured Biblical archeologists such as William F. Albright who, in the 1920s, traveled to the Holy Land to excavate artifacts that would, as Sand puts it: “reaffirm the Old Testament and thereby the New.”
By interpreting his finds in Christian-Zionist terms, Albright and his colleagues not only unearthed Biblical “facts” that shaped the Sunday school curriculum, they also helped pre-stage the perceived legitimacy of a Jewish people returning from exile to a Jewish homeland. As Sand points out, if there was no exodus, how can there be a return? If there is no “Jewish People,” how can there be a homeland?
Yet these widely held beliefs remain the premise underlying Israel’s expansionist agenda and its rationale for heaping six decades of abuse on Palestinians who have lived there for centuries.
Political Expedience or Biblical Prophecy?
White House counsel Clark Clifford cautioned Truman that his reelection was unlikely absent the funding that Jewish-Americans—with Israel’s recognition—were eager to provide. In early May 1948, General George C. Marshall, Truman’s Secretary of State, argued vigorously against recognition. Strong objections were also heard from the diplomatic corps, the fledgling Central Intelligence Agency and the Pentagon’s Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Marshall, the top-ranked U.S. military officer in WWII, was outraged that Clifford put domestic political expedience ahead of U.S. foreign policy interests. Marshall told Truman that he would vote against him if he extended sovereign status to an enclave of Zionist terrorists, religious fanatics and what Albert Einstein and Jewish philosopher Hannah Arendt called “Jewish fascists.” Marshall insisted that State Department personnel never again speak to Clifford.
In March 1948, a Joint Chiefs paper titled “Force Requirements for Palestine” predicted the “Zionist strategy will seek to involve [the U.S.] in a continuously widening and deepening series of operations intended to secure maximum Jewish objectives.” Those objectives included an expansionist agenda for Greater Israel that envisioned the taking of Arab land, ensuring armed clashes in which the U.S. was destined to become embroiled.
The Joint Chiefs listed Zionist objectives as:
- Initial Jewish sovereignty over a portion of Palestine,
- Acceptance by the great powers of the right to unlimited immigration,
- The extension of Jewish sovereignty over all of Palestine,
- The expansion of “Eretz (Greater) Israel” into Transjordan and portions of Lebanon and Syria, and
- The establishment of Jewish military and economic hegemony over the entire Middle East.
Akin to the fictional portrayal in Exodus, those Zionists lobbying Truman assured him they would remain within the initial boundaries. We now know that was a lie. They also promised that the Zionist state would not become what it quickly became: a theocratic and racist enclave—albeit widely marketed by pro-Israeli media as the “only democracy in the Middle East.”
To remove all doubt as to the extremist goals of the Zionist project, the Joint Chiefs assessment added ominously:
“All stages of this program are equally sacred to the fanatical concepts of the Jewish leaders. The program is openly admitted by some leaders, and has been privately admitted to United States officials by responsible leaders of the presently dominant Jewish group–the Jewish Agency.”
Deceit from the Outset
A beguiling combination of Hollywood fiction, manipulated beliefs and outright lies remain at the core of this entangled alliance and the U.S.-Israeli “special relationship.” The deceit deployed to advance the hegemonic goals of the Zionist project remains obscured by an undisclosed media bias reinforced by a widespread pro-Israeli influence in popular culture. As with the 1960 film, the ongoing manipulation of thought and emotion lies at the core of this duplicity a half-century later.
In The Persuasion Explosion (1985), author Art Stevens reports that Exodus was a public relations ploy launched by Edward Gottlieb who sought a novelist to improve Israel’s image in the U.S. The name Uris originates with Yerushalmi, meaning “man of Jerusalem.” The film rights to Exodus were sold in advance of the book’s publication. Translated into dozens of languages, this masterpiece of mental and emotional manipulation quickly became a global phenomenon as it created favorable impressions of Israel.
The rewards are real for those who offer aid and comfort to this trans-generational deceit. When Truman’s campaign train traversed the nation as part of a 1948 whistle-stop tour, grateful Jewish nationalists refueled his campaign coffers with a reported $400,000 in cash ($3.6 million in 2010 dollars). Those funds helped transform his anticipated loss into a victory with support from pro-Israeli editorial boards that—after recognition—boosted Truman’s sagging popularity.
The Creation of Reliable Assets
Clark Clifford was rewarded with his career goal when he emerged as a top-paid Washington lawyer. After proving himself a pliable personality, he remained a reliable asset. During the G.H.W. Bush presidency, his combination of political prominence and perceived credibility provided cover for a massive bank fraud involving the Bank of Credit and Commerce International aided by Roger Altman, his Ashkenazi law partner.
In 2009, Hollywood released an action thriller (The International) starring Clive Owen and featuring a similar storyline involving the International Bank of Business and Credit. Neither Clifford nor Altman had experience in banking when their law firm enabled what prosecutors charged was a global criminal operation.
Media reports described the BCCI scheme as the largest bank fraud in history. This $20 billion transnational operation even featured the requisite Hollywood component: Clifford’s protégé was married to Lynda Carter, the star of Wonder Woman, a 1970s fantasy-adventure television series.
The real fantasy in this long-running geopolitical fraud lies in why U.S. lawmakers continue to befriend and defend a “nation” that has for so long—and so consistently—deceived and betrayed its most loyal ally. As a badly miscast Eva Marie Saint asked in her most memorable line in Exodus: “When will it ever end?”
The greatest wonder will be if, based on facts confirming the depth and duration of this duplicity, those lawmakers urging continued support for Israel are not charged with treason. [See: How the Israel Lobby Took Control of U.S. Foreign Policy.]
To restore its national security, the U.S. must shake off its entangled alliance with this extremist enclave. “Shaking off” is the literal translation of “intifada.” Those who know the true facts behind this trans-generational deception are quickly reaching the conclusion that the recognition of this enclave as a legitimate state was key to this ongoing fraud. Others may be waiting for the movie, American Intifada.
Sounds verrry good to me. How bout letting us Canucks in on the action too?
They have recently cut off funding to all agencies who assist Palestine! Not a peep, they did it behind the backs of the citizens and local representatives. They will not let us bring a young man who has been held and treated as an adult since he was 15,and still languishes in Guatanamo. We, too, have an openly zionist or Chabad run government. So please, (we canucks are so polite) let us join in.
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Sorry Noor – nothing will change as long as Stephen Harper is in power or Israel Lobby (Canadian Jewish Council) loses its grip on the other two parties – Liberal and New Democrat.
“Canada is definitely an ally. Today it’s hard to point out our most loyal ally, but Canada is undoubtedly an exception, in the positive sense. Canada was the first to boycott the Durban II conference that was held in Switzerland. In Canada I met with the head of the opposition and of course with my colleague, the foreign minister. I also had meetings with four other ministers, including the minister of finance and the minister entrusted with matters of international trade. It’s hard to find a country friendlier to Israel than Canada these days. Members both of the coalition and the opposition are loyal friends to us, both with regard to their worldview and their estimation of the situation in everything related to the Middle East, North Korea, Iran, Sudan and Somalia. No other country in the world has demonstrated such full understanding of us,” – Avigdor Lieberman, Radio Reka on June 25, 2009.
The “other Israel” in Canada
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/the-other-israel-in-canada/
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Truman hated the Jews, he was no “Christian-Zionist”. His rationale behind the creation of Israel was that it was probably better for everyone if ALL the Jews go to Israel, the exact same rationale the National-Socialist had in the beginning before they realised that it was impossible (and therefore they started to build the labour-camps)
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Jeff Gates Reply:
February 11th, 2010 at 9:18 am
The biographies on Truman confirm that he was a Christian Zionist who had read the Bible five times by age 15. Like George Bush, his belief became the pliable part of his personality that was manipulated by those who are masterful at targeting thought and emotion to influence behavior. It’s always dangerous to ascribe one reason for someone making a decision, particularly one as disastrous to our national interests as Truman’s recognition of this extremist enclave as a legitimate state. That’s why, in Guilt By Association, I summarized the various forces swirling around him when this decision was made. I disagree with the assessment that he hated Jews though he was clearly annoyed at their persistence in lobbying him on the statehood issue. His friendship with Eddie Jacobson was well known. Consistent with how this criminal syndicate operates through relationships, the Zionists used Jacobson’s friendship to lobby Truman. And they used Jacobson’s Jewishness — much as the “state” of Israel uses the broader Jewish community to perpetrate its thuggery behind a (thin) veneer of legitimacy.
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It’s time for a Final Solution to the Jewish Problem.
In fact , it’s way overdue.
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Jeff Gates Reply:
February 11th, 2010 at 8:57 am
The solution lies in facts, accountability and a design solution that precludes the duplicity we now see operating on a global scale. With transparency, accountability can commence consistent with the facts and the rule of law.
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Very good article Mr. Gates. Your article really cuts to the bone without the himm hawing. Excellent read and informative. I shall share with others. Thank you sir.
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Jeff Gates Reply:
February 11th, 2010 at 8:50 am
Thanks for your interest and support. If you like the article, you’ll love the book: Guilt By Association.
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Revolution is the Solution!!
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Jeff Gates Reply:
February 11th, 2010 at 8:44 am
The revolution that’s required is one that insists that governance is based on facts versus what a targeted populace can be deceived to believe. Those operatives at the heart of this manipulation of thought and emotion have imbedded their operations in the “in between” spaces– between the facts and what people require in order to be governed by informed choice. Thus their dominance in media, that most essential of in-between domains required to protect personal freedom from those who will hide behind freedom (as with the freedom of the press) in order to undermine freedom. The sophistication with which this oppression proceeds requires a very different sort of “revolution” than those we’ve seen to date. Thanks for your commment.
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Australia also needs an intifada against the insidous Zionist controls. Wretched anti-human scum, the Zionist pestilence is a plague without equal.
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Boycotting their banks, and their mass media should be the best starting point. Next, is to boycott their debt-based fiat currencies.
Their main power is economic. They derive it by coercing our participation in an economic system of their design, maintained and controlled for their benefit. Take those two things away, and what do they have left?
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Many of us in England will join the cause.
We are the most Askenazi occupied zone after the USA.
We are controlled from Tel Aviv.
Remember the Bar code.
729 and you have to decline.
Do not buy any Israeli goods ever.
Do not shop at known Stores owned by the Askenazi.
Buy local.
Start fighting back.
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Jeff Gates Reply:
February 10th, 2010 at 6:19 am
The Chilcott Inquiry has a chance of opening up this latest operation to identify who were the real operatives in the U.K. that took the nation to war. Thanks for the comment.
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See this VERIFIED CRIMINAL COMPLAINT, ON INFORMATION
formally charging George W. Bush, Richard B. Cheney and
Donald H. Rumsfeld:
http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/gwbush/vcc.htm (see all Exhibits for supporting evidence)
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, 18 U.S.C. 1964(a)
http://www.supremelaw.org/decs/agency/private.attorney.general.htm
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To the author of this article: YOUR IGNORANCE IS TOTALLY AMAZING! ISRAEL BELONGS TO THE JEWS–ALWAYS HAS AND ALWAYS WILL. THE GOD OF HEAVEN PROCLAIMS IT OVER AND OVER IN HIS HOLY WORD. HE ALSO PROCLAIMS THIER LAND WILL NEVER BE TAKEN AGAIN. AND, ANY FOOL OF A NATION THAT TRIES TO TAKE IT WILL BE DESTROYED BY THE VERY HAND OF GOD. BETTER BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY AGAINST THE GREAT “I AM” AND HIS CHOSEN ONES. IT WILL BE TO YOUR OWN PERIL ETERNALLY.
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Jeff Gates Reply:
February 10th, 2010 at 5:55 am
Cannot imagine a more perfect response. Thanks.
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Jeff Gates Reply:
February 10th, 2010 at 6:10 am
Thanks for this a the comment speaks for itself.
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Unholyjake Reply:
February 10th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Your ignorance is not amazing…it’s pathetic…what is amazing is how any earth human can become so brainwashed by a religion that the TRUTH is impossible for him to see!
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Jeff Gates Reply:
February 10th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
I don’t get it. To whose ignorance are you referring? Have you read Guilt By Association? Please at least read the excerpts on the Criminal State website and then opine. Thanks.
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Unholyjake Reply:
February 10th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
I was trying to reply to JHaas…that where the blog put my reply when I hit reply at his comment!
Jeremiah 16:14,15
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be said, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
But, the Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and i will bring them again into their land that i gave unto their fathers.
jeremiah 34:13 Thus saith the Lord, the God of Israel: I made a covenant with your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondmen,
Isaiah 37:23 Whom hast thou reproached and blasphemed? and against whom hast thou exalted thy voice, and lifted up thine eyes on high? EVEN AGAINST THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL.
Isaiah 41:11 Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing;and they that strive with thee shall perish.
Isaiah 49;25,26 But thus saith the Lord, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered; for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and i will save thy children. (26)And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine; and all flesh shall know that I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
Isaiah 59: 1,2,3,4
Behold, the Lord’s hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity, your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies: they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.
Isaiah 66; 4
I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
5 Hear the word of the Lord, ye that tremble at His word; Your bretheren that hated you, that cast you out for my names’s sake, said, Let the Lord be glorified; but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
and the point is: God clearly remembers bringing His chosen Ones out of the land of Egypt. why do you choose to lie and say it is fiction? Why do you speak against your God and Creator? Do you not know His wrath will be upon your head? Please dear friend repent and turn to the Lord. Christ is the only name under the sun by which you may be saved. We all will stand before God and give an account of our lives. Will you choose to stand in front of your God in shame or will you choose to stand in rightousness. the choice is yours alone. God said he will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel. I ask you, choose blessing. Choose God.
and to you Mr. Unholyjake:
God loves you and will forgive your unholiness. There is no sin so great, or deep or black, or filthy, that Gods love can not cleanse and His blood can not wash away. Please ask the Lord to forgive you and give your life to him. You will find peace rather than anger and hate.
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Unholyjake Reply:
February 14th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
JHaas said: quote: “and the point is: God clearly remembers bringing His chosen Ones out of the land of Egypt. why do you choose to lie and say it is fiction? Why do you speak against your God and Creator?” end quote.
You must learn who the one we call God is…you must learn what Creation is…you must learn why and by who the Bible was written. When you reasearch that you will find you are bound by a religion and have let your life be controled by it…just exactly like all religion was set up to do. God brought humans to earth to live free lives and learn…but humans have let religions take control of them and the results have been devasting for earth humans, and this beautiful planet. The real TRUTH about God, life, and Creation is hidden behind religion…when you learn this, you will find there are no choosen people.
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I will purchase GUILT BY ASSOCIATION, and will read this book.
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Dear Mr. Unholyjake,
You are correct in your belief. Mankind (earth humans, as you call us) as well as “religion” have perverted God’s Word through out the ages. Many scientists with no belief in God or His Word, have set out to prove the Bible is untrue. But, did you know, rather than disproving the authenticity of the Bible, they end up proving its ancient words, and becoming believers themselves. True and honest research of God’s Word results in undeniable truths. I think perhaps there have been mistranslations from Greek and Hebrew to English, but, the basic truths, the foundations of Gods Word remains intact. You suggested I research the Bible and learn the truths enclosed. I have been researching, studying and searching the words of the Bible most of my teenage and adult life. And , I will continue to do the same all the days of my life. Because, there is always more to learn, more truths revealed, and more depth than one could ever imagine. I would suggest you, Jake, start your own in depth search and research of Gods Word. With an open heart and mind. One that is not poisened or tainted by the beliefs of earth humans or religions. Do not trust your own thoughts or self formed beliefs. ( Isaiah 55:8,9 11 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. (11) So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth; it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.) That means you Jake! God promises you His words are truth that will not return to Him void. And, God can not lie. If you truly search Him and His word, with an honest heart, He will cause His Word to Prosper in your heart. It will come alive. It will be like a fountain you can not stop. It will be the truth and peace you have always searched for. Earth humans, earth ways, and earth thoughts and beliefs will without a doubt always lead you wrong,and let you down. How can you doubt a God that knows even the number of hairs on your head? That knows every star in heaven and calls them by name. That grieves even when a sparrow falls from a branch? That spared not His only Son, to die in your place? Yes Jake, Christ died for your sins, and my sins, and all earth humans sins. And He offers you the promise of His Love and forgiveness, and eternal life with Him if you just ask and believe. You see Jake, my faith is based on that blessed hope. That promise from God himself. Not from any religion. If i am wrong, and the Bible is not true, and there is no God. What have i lost? Absolutely nothing. But, Jake, if you are wrong, and I am right about Gods word and love and promises, what have you lost? Everything! All eternity! Separation from God forever and ever. And, though earth humans do not want to believe it, there is a place where those who do not choose God will go. It’s all written there Jake, in Gods Word. Just waiting for you to find. God longs and waits and pleads for you to come to Him. (John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. ) That means you Jake. Who so ever, means you! (John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3: 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.) God loves you Jake. God does not wish that any should perish, but that all–even you jake–should have everlasting life! Jesus is the Son of God. He already paid for your sins on the cross. Because He was sinless and perfect in all his ways. There was no other who could have done that for you Jake. Not even you. Good works will not buy your salvation. Mother earth, hugging trees, worshipping nature, loving the earth—none of that can buy your salvation. only the blood of Christ and his sacrifice on the cross can give you salvation. iT’S FREE JAKE, you only have to ask for it. (Ephesians 2:8,9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast.) All you have to do is have the faith to ask and believe in Him. He will do the rest. Its so simple, yet earth humans, and sometimes religions too, try to make it so hard. i plead with you Jake, please please ask Jesus Christ to forgive your sins and come into your heart. you dont need to be a Bible scholar. You dont need to have all the answers to this world. you don’t even have to change yourself. Christ will change you. But, you need a Savior. We all do. Wont you please give God a chance. Wont you please give your self a chance? God will prove Himself to you, through His Word. The Bible says God has given us all a measure of faith. every earth human has that measure of faith. Will you use it Jake to find your God? He is waiting to hear from you. He is pleading for you to come to Him. Gods love is perfect love and peace. you can trust Him. All you have to do is pray, and tell him you know you are a sinner. and ask Him to forgive you and invite him to come into your heart. the Bible says, God is faithful and just to forgive you. Because He promised he would. and, God never changes, His word never changes, and He will not let you down Jake. If you ask, and believe in your heart that Jesus Christ is Lord, the son of God, that died for your sins, YOU WILL BE SAVED. you will never have to worry again, where you will end up when your life is over on this earth. God says, when you belong to Him there is nothing—not even you jake–that can pluck you from the palm of His hand. Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Seek God Jake. Find your Savior and ask him to save you. He will. He will not let His Word return unto Him void. Like i told you before Jake, there is no sin that Jesus blood can not wash away and forgive. You dont have to be unholyjake. it is your choice to make. You can be a child of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Dont condemn your self Jake. Take the free gift of salvation, and God will remove your condemnation and make you His blood bought child and inheritor TO the THRONE OF GOD. With that promise, you can not loose! Search Gods Word Jake. You will find many have been chosen—even you Jake, from the foundations of the world. God chose the Land of Israel to be His land, and the eternal throne of His Son Jesus Christ. The jews were the chosen blood line of Christ.. The people God chose to reveal Himself to the world. But, you and I were chosen by God too Jake. Read the Bible. Its in there!
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Unholyjake Reply:
February 16th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
Mr./Ms. JHaas (I don’t know by the name)
I have a couple of questions for you.
When and by whom was the Bible written? Why was it written?
Do you not understand that you are the one that is controlled by religious beliefs? Not me!
When you find the answers to these questions…you may be very surprised to find that your whole life is controlled by a religion that does everything it can do to keep you from learning the TRUTH about life and how you should live it in order to progress on your journey back to Creation that created you. The earthly life that you’re in at this time is just a step in a journey, and what you learn in this life determines if the step is forward or backward and where your next step will be. The earth is filling up with people that don’t learn anything in their earthly life and must repeat it until they do learn enough to progress.
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JHaas, try this site for Koestler’s text, commentary, and something on his “suicide” shortly after the book came out. http://rense.com/general89/notjws.htm
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SORRY JAKE. I BELIEVE THE BIBLE WAS INSPIRED BY GOD AND WRITTEN BY THE ONES HE CHOSE TO INSPIRE TO WRITE IT. AND, I CHOOSE TO WORSHIP THE CREATOR, NOT CREATION. AND, I STILL BELIEVE GOD CHOSE ISRAEL AS HIS EARTHLY THRONE, AND THE JEWS AS THE RACE HE WOULD REVEAL HIMSELF AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, AND HIS HOLY WORD, THROUGH– TO THE WORLD. I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY TRINITY, FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. I BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS GODS HOLY WORD. AND I BELIEVE JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD, WHO DIED FOR OUR SINS, ROSE AGAIN, AND SITS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF HIS FATHER. I BELIEVE CHRIST WILL RETURN, AND RULE THE NATIONS. I BELIEVE THERE IS A HEAVEN AND A HELL, AND EVERY PERSON ON THIS EARTH WILL CHOOSE THIER SOULS FINAL DESTINATION. I BELIEVE IN BIBLICAL PROPHECY, AND HAVE SEEN WITH MY OWN EYES, BIBLE PROPHECY BEING FULLFILLED EXACTLY AS THE BIBLE PREDICTS.( WONDER HOW ALL THOSE BIBLICAL WRITERS, OVER AGES OF TIME, FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, THAT NEVER MET EACH OTHER, CO- ORDINATED THEIR PROPHECIES WITH PERFECT PRECISION, EVEN WITHOUT THE USE OF PHONES, COMPUTERS, TELEGRAPHS OR ANY COMMUNICATION DEVICES. AMAZING, AND PROOF GOD, AND ONLY GOD COULD HAVE INSPIRED THEM. AND, EVERY PROPHECY THAT HAS BEEN FULLFILLED, IS FULL FILLED EXACTLY AS THE BIBLE HAS PREDICTED DOWN TO PERFECT DETAIL. THAT IS PRETTY AMAZING WHEN YOU CONSIDER THESE GUYS WERE NOT MODERN MEN, IN A MODERN WORLD, WITH MODERN MACHINES,COMMUNICATIONS AND KNOWLEDGE. THEY WERE JUST FAITHFUL MEN OF GOD THAT WROTE WHAT GOD TOLD THEM TO WRITE. HOW DID ALL THOSE PROPHETS KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN OUR DAY AND TIME? DID “CREATION” TELL THEM? DID A LITTLE BIRD FLY BY AND TELL THEM? NO, I DONT THINK SO. THEIR CREATOR TOLD THEM. THEIR GOD WHO CAN SEE INTO THE PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE. THE GREAT “I AM”. THE BEGINNING AND THE END, AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. GOD HAS PROVEN HIS HOLINESS, HIS AUTHORITY, HIS PERFECTNESS THROUGH OUT THE AGES.–FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE END. ALPHA AND OMEGA. JUST BECAUSE SOME GUY WROTE A BOOK DISCLAIMING GODS OWN WORD AND THE JEWISH PEOPLE, MEANS NOTHING TO ME. JUST LIKE THE SCIENTIST WHO CLAIM THERE IS GLOBAL WARMING, —(WHICH ARE NOW CLAIMING THEY LIED ABOUT THIER RESEARCH AND FALSIFIED THIER WRITINGS) THEY ARE JUST MEN WITH AN AGENDA. THAT DOESNT MEAN THEY ARE TRUTHFUL OR HONEST. GOD SAID ANYONE WHO TEACHES A DOCTRINE THAT ISNT IN HIS HOLY WORD, TEACHES THE DOCTRINES OF DEMONS, AND DO NOT FOLLOW THEM. WHO EVER THIS GUY WAS, THAT KILLED HIMSELF, THAT CLAIMED THE JEWS WERE NOT THE TRUE ISRAELITES, WAS JUST ANOTHER MAN. AND WE ALL KNOW “MAN” MAKES LOTS OF MISTAKES. (BY THE WAY, IT SOUNDS ALOT LIKE THE GUY ON “SHEPHARDS CHAPEL” PROGRAM, THAT SPENDS HIS TIME DISTORTING GODS WORD WITH ALOT OF OFF THE WALL THEORIES AND DOCTRINES, AND WHO SEEMS TO JUST HAVE IT OUT FOR THE JEWS.)
YOU SAID, JAKE, THAT I AM CONTROLLED BY RELIGION. I DISAGREE WITH YOU THERE. I AM NOT CONTROLLED BY RELIGION. I GAVE MYSELF, MY LIFE AND MY HEART TO CHRIST. HIS LOVE AND FORGIVENESS DOES NOT CONTROLL. IT IS FREEDOM. I AM FREE. I AM FORGIVEN. NO LONGER HELD IN BONDAGE BY SIN AND DEATH. AND, IT COMES WITH AWSOME BENEFITS TOO. ETERNITY IN HEAVEN WITH GOD AND HIS SON JESUS. CROWNS OF GOLD, STREETS OF GOLD, MANSIONS, FEASTS, A PLACE SO BEAUTIFUL OUR MINDS CAN NOT EVEN IMAGINE., ANGELS OF GOD IN NUMBERS SO GREAT THEY CAN NOT BE COUNTED. TREES OF LIFE, WITH FRUIT, RIVERS OF LIFE, JEWELS SO LARGE WALLS AND GATES ARE BUILT WITH THEM. NO MORE TEARS OR PAIN, AND BEST OF ALL, I WILL BE CONSIDERED ROYALTY OF THE THRONE OF GOD, AND RULE OVER NATIONS AND ANGELS.! I WISH YOU COULD BE THERE TOO JAKE. I AM SORRY TO SAY, UNLESS YOU ACCEPT CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR, YOU WONT BE. PLEASE RECONSIDER. I WILL PRAY FOR YOU!
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Unholyjake Reply:
February 17th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
Quote from JHaas: “I CHOOSE TO WORSHIP THE CREATOR, NOT CREATION.” End quote.
The one you call the Creator…God…didn’t create anything. He came to this planet and brought intelligent human life here. Jmmanuel , that you call Jesus Christ, was not his son. He was a prophet sent by God. Here is a list of the prophets that God has sent and the dates of their time on earth. (1) Henoch (Enoch) (3 February 9308 BCE to 1 January 8942 BCE), (2) Elia (Elijah)
(5 February 891 BCE to 4 June 780 BCE), (3) Jesaja (Isaiah) (7 February 772 BCE to
5 May 690 BCE), (4) Jeremia (Jeremiah) (9 February 662 BCE to 3 September 580 BCE), (5) Jmmanuel (Immanuel) (3 February 02 BCE to 9 May 111 CE) as well as (6) Mohammed (19 February 571 CE to 8 June 632 CE)
Religion doesn’t tell you that…it really hides that from you doesn’t it? All of them taught the same thing…but in such a manner that the earth humans at their time could understand it. God didn’t send them here to teach a religion, just the TRUTH about how humans should live their lives. Human religions rejected their teachings and then distorted their teaching to fit their beliefs. That’s what Judaism did…that’s where “Gods Chosen People ” came from…man made religion. Man made religion is were Islam comes from…the distorted teachings of Mohammed.
All religions are human beliefs…The TRUTH is an absolute with no beliefs involved.
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[Jeff, thanks for your energizing blog. What follows is an unusual bit I found on the web.]
PRETRIB RAPTURE SECRECY
by Dave MacPherson
The word “secrecy” when applied to Christ’s return can refer to two different things: time and visibility. Before 1830 the only coming Christians looked for was the “every eye shall see him” second advent to earth – secret only in point of time.
Enter Margaret Macdonald in 1830. She saw “the one taken and the other left” before “THE WICKED” [Antichrist] will “be revealed” – and added that her pretrib rapture would not be “seen by the natural eye” but only by “those who have the light of God within.” Her rapture was doubly secret: at an unknown day and hour and also invisible to “outsiders.”
Desperate to eliminate Margaret as the pretrib originator and the Irvingites as the first public teachers of pretrib, Darby defender Thomas Ice foolishly claims that they taught a secret POSTTRIB coming even though he knows that when Hal Lindsey teaches “one taken” etc. before the Antichrist “is revealed” Lindsey is expressing the kernel of the pretrib view – what MM and the Irvingites clearly taught before Darby did! Google “X-Raying Margaret” and “Edward Irving is Unnerving” to see why they are properly labeled “pretrib.”)
As early as June 1832, Irving’s journal taught that only “to those who are watching and praying…will Christ be manifested…as the morning star. To the rest of the church, and to the world, this first appearance will be…unintelligible.” (“Present State of Prophetic Knowledge” etc., p. 374)
Always trailing and “borrowing” quietly from the Irvingites who in turn had “borrowed” from Margaret, Darby in 1845 finally sounded like them when he wrote that “the bright and morning Star…is the sweet and blessed sign to them that watch…And such is Christ before He appears [at the final advent to earth]. The Sun will arise on the world….The star is before the [Sun], the joy of those who watch. The unwakeful world, who sleep in the night, see it not.” (“Thoughts on the Apocalypse,” p. 167)
And Lindsey’s “Late Great Planet Earth,” p. 143, says that “the second coming is said to be visible to the whole earth (Revelation 1:7). However, in the Rapture. only the Christians see Him – it’s a mystery, a secret.”
My bestselling book “The Rapture Plot” (available at online stores including Armageddon Books) has 300 pages of such documentation and proves that Margaret was the first to “see” a secret, pretrib rapture, that the Irvingites soon echoed her in their journal (which Darby admitted he avidly read), and that Darby was last on all of the crucial aspects of dispensationalism.
Shockingly, all of the earliest pretrib development rested solely on unclear OT and NT types and symbols and NOT on clear Biblical statements. Margaret’s rapture was inspired by Rev. 11′s “two witnesses.” And her “secret visibility” rested on the “types” of Stephen, Paul, and John – all of whom saw or heard what others couldn’t see or hear.
For 30 years Darby’s pretrib basis was the rapture of Rev. 12′s “man child” – actually his plagiarism of Irving’s usage of this “pretrib” symbol eight years earlier!
As I said at the start, the “second advent to earth” is secret in point of time with its unknown “day and hour,” as Christ stated. Pretribs assert that if Christ returns for the church after the tribulation, we could count down the days and figure out the actual date of His return – which would contradict Christ’s words.
But pretribs deliberately ignore the fact that Christ said that the tribulation days will be shortened – and He didn’t reveal the length of the shortening!
Our opponents also assume that the “watch” verses prove the “any-moment imminence” of Christ’s return. But do they? II Peter 3:12 says we are to be “looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God” which all premills claim is at least 1000 years ahead of us and therefore hardly “imminent”! What’s the difference between “watching for” and “looking for”?
You have just learned a few of the many secrets that the Secret Rapture Gang has hidden for a long time. Evidently they have forgotten Luke 12:2′s warning that “there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed”!
PS – For the ultimate in uncovered secrets, see engines like Google and type in “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty.”
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From what I understand ,one of Trumans best friends was Jewish and it was this friend who had a great deal influence over the Presidents decision to recognize Israel.
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Jeff Gates Reply:
March 15th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Please see Guilt By Association for an account of Eddie Jacobson, Truman’s good friend who was used by Chaim Weizzman and other leading Zionists to influence Truman.
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AND WHERE DOES YOUR RELIGION COME FROM JAKE? LET’S SEE, YOU ARE HUMAN, AND YOU LIVE ON EARTH—HMMM. GUESS THAT MEANS YOUR RELIGION IS ALSO MAN-MADE. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE JESUS CHRIST NEVER MENTIONS SALVATION IS BASED ON RELIGION. HOWEVER, I ALSO KNOW, IF YOU ARE TRULY A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN, THERE ARE MANY RELIGIONS YOU COULD NEVER FOLLOW. YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT PART OF A JUDEO/CHRISTIAN BASED RELIGION, SINCE YOU DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. ARE YOU PERHAPS A LATTER DAY SAINT? I HAVE BEEN TOLD THEY ALSO HAVE SIMILAR BELIEFS (CHRIST WAS JUST A PROPHET LIKE JOSEPH SMITH –AND JEWS ARE NOT GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE.–) I ALSO NOTICED ABOVE YOU USED THE TERM B.C. WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT TERM CAME FROM AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN? MOST GRADE SCHOOL CHILDREN KNOW B.C. MEANS “BEFORE CHRISTS DEATH” AND A.D. MEANS “AFTER CHRISTS DEATH” AND HAVE YOU NOT ALSO HEARD THE TERM–”IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD”. ? THATS A PRETTY POWERFUL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT TO SOMEONE WHOM YOU SAY NEVER EXISTED. I HAVE NEVER HEARD THOSE TERMS USED FOR JOSEPH SMITH, OR MOHAMMED OR BUDHA, OR THE POPE. YOU ALSO SPEAK OF THE PROPHETS JEREMIAH, ENOGH, ISAIAH , ELIJAH. THEY ALSO SPOKE OF THE COMING SAVIOUR. ISAIAH CALLED HIM “THE MIGHTY GOD”, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, AND THE PRINCE OF PEACE IN ISAIAH 9:6,7. AND, LUKE REFERRED TO CHRIST IN LUKE 2:11 “FOR UNTO YOU IS BORN THIS DAY IN THE CITY OF DAVID, A SAVIOUR, WHICH IS CHRIST THE LORD” AND, LUKE 1:32 HE SHALL BE GREAT, AND SHALL BE CALLED THE SON OF THE HIGHEST; AND THE LORD GOD SHALL GIVE UNTO HIM THE THRONE OF HIS FATHER DAVID. SEEMS TO ME JAKE, THOSE PROPHETS , AND GOD HIMSELF BELIEVED CHRIST WAS THE SON OF GOD AND SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD. WHY IS THAT SO HARD FOR YOU TO BELIEVE? YOU ARE ALSO RIGHT WHEN YOU SAY, “ALL RELIGIONS ARE HUMAN BELIEFS” AND THAT INCLUDES YOURS JAKE. WHAT EVER IT IS. BUT, ONE THING IS FOR SURE JAKE, ANY MAN MADE RELIGION WILL FAIL YOU. BUT, JESUS CHRIST WILL NEVER FAIL YOU, LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU. TRUST IN HIM JAKE. CHRIST SAID THE THINGS OF THIS WORLD WILL PASS AWAY, BUT HIS WORD WILL NEVER PASS AWAY. I PLEAD WITH YOU AGAIN TO MAKE YOUR PEACE WITH GOD, AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. REMEMBER THE VERSE I QUOTED ABOVE, “HE THAT BELIEVETH IN HIM IS NOT CONDEMNED, BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED ALREADY.” DO NOT CONDEMN YOURSELF JAKE. CREATION WILL NOT SAVE YOU. JOSEPH SMITH, MOHAMMED, THE PROPHETS, WERE ALL HUMANS, WHO CAN NOT SAVE THEMSELVES–AND THAT INCLUDES YOU JAKE. MOTHER EARTH, MOTHER SHIPS/ALIENS, THE SUN, THE MOON, TREES/NATURE, OR RELIGION. CAN NOT SAVE YOU. ONLY THE SON OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST CAN SAVE YOU. GOOD WORKS, WEALTH, EDUCATION, STATUS —NONE OF THOSE CAN SAVE YOU. THE ONLY NAME UNDER THE SUN THAT CAN SAVE YOUR ETERNAL SOUL IS JESUS CHRIST. PLEASE ASK CHRIST TO FORGIVE YOU OF YOUR SINS AND COME INTO YOUR LIFE. WHO SO EVER CALLETH UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD, SHALL BE SAVED. THE GOOD NEWS IS JAKE, CHRIST WILL SAVE YOU, NO MATTER WHAT YOU HAVE BELIEVED IN THE PAST. IT IS NEVER TOO LATE TO CALL UPON HIS NAME. DONT LET YOUR SOUL SLIP INTO ETERNITY WITHOUT CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOUR. NONE OF US KNOW, WHEN OUR LAST BREATH WILL BE TAKEN ON THIS EARTH. ” IT IS APPOINTED FOR MAN TO DIE ONCE, THEN COMES JUDGEMENT” YOU WONT BE RE-CYCLED BACK INTO THIS WORLD TO RE LIVE YOUR LIFE, OR LEARN SOME LESSON YOU DIDNT QUITE GET THE FIRST TIME AROUND. CHOOSE WHOM YOU WILL SERVE JAKE. DO NOT CHOOSE DEATH, CHOOSE LIFE! ETERNAL LIFE.
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Unholyjake Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 10:08 am
First, I don’t have a religion…none…0!
Yes I am an Earth Human at this time as you are.
The Prophets I referred to did not say the things that the Bible quotes them as saying…their words were twisted into what you read in your Bible by religions, to hide the TRUTH from you. Sad but true.
Jmmanuel was not a son of God…He was a human sent here by God…the advanced human that brought intelligent human life to earth.
You have been so brainwashed by religion that it’s hard for you to turn lose of the fear that they have instilled into you and realize what the TRUTH really is. You believe in reincarnation the same as I do…but unlike you I know that my next life will not be spent walking on a street of gold and listening to angles play harps…it will either be here or on another planet as a human…and that depends on how much I learn in this life. I don’t believe humans were created evil as religions teach…we had to lean it. We alone are responsible for our lives and how we choose to live them…no one interferes in our lives…no one had to die to change the process of the human life cycle that Creation set in motion. We decide through what we learn where our next life will be…we are in control of our own destiny and if we let religion take control of our lives…we are doomed through ignorance of the TRUTH to repeat our earthly lives until we learn the TRUTH.
By the way: Joseph Smith was a BS artist and he’s fooled a lot of folks…and we know what their destiny is…don’t we?
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Common Era, abbreviated as CE, is a designation for the world’s most commonly used year-numbering system.[1][2] The numbering of years using Common Era notation is identical to the numbering used with Anno Domini (BC/AD) notation, 2010 being the current year in both notations and neither using a year zero.[3] Common Era is also known as Christian Era[4] and Current Era,[5] with all three expressions abbreviated as CE.[6] (Christian Era is, however, also abbreviated AD, for Anno Domini.[7]) Dates before the year 1 CE are indicated by the usage of BCE, short for “Before the Common Era”, “Before the Christian Era”, or “Before the Current Era”.[8] Both the BCE/CE and BC/AD notations are based on a sixth-century estimate for the year in which Jesus was conceived or born, with the common era designation originating among Christians in Europe at least as early as 1615 (at first in Latin).[9]
The Gregorian calendar, and the year-numbering system associated with it, is the calendar system with most widespread usage in the world today. For decades, it has been the de facto global standard, recognized by international institutions such as the United Nations and the Universal Postal Union. There are many names in many languages used to designate this year-numbering system that originated in Western Europe. Common Era notation has been adopted in several non-Christian cultures, by many scholars in religious studies and other academic fields,[10][11] and by others wishing to be sensitive to non-Christians,[12] because Common Era does not explicitly make use of religious titles for Jesus, such as Christ and Lord, which are used in the BC/AD notation
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Jake, you are a LIAR!
You say you have no religion? Oh please, who are you kidding? Certainly not me. You most certainly BELIEVE SOME STRANGE form of religion. The Kind God called FALSE! THE SPIRIT OF ANTI-CHRIST. THE DOCTRINE OF DEMONS. AND, YOU WORSHIP “CREATION”. THAT IS WHAT GOD CALLS A FALSE GOD. YOU KNOW JAKE, IF YOU DONT WORSHIP THE ONE TRUE GOD, THEN YOU WORSHIP A FALSE GOD. GOD KEEPS IT SIMPLE. TRUE OR FALSE, RIGHT OR WRONG. THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND YOU ARE A VERY INTELLIGENT PERSON. SO, PLEASE DONT INSULT YOUR OWN OBVIOUSLY HIGH INTELLIGENCE, OR MINE. I THINK YOU MUST BE VERY YOUNG, AND/ OR VERY CONFUSED. ARE YOU ANGRY AT GOD FOR SOME REASON? DO YOU HAVE SOME PERCIEVED NOTION IN YOUR MIND, BELIEVING GOD DID YOU WRONG? I HOPE THAT ISNT THE CASE, BUT, IF IT IS—ITS OK JAKE. YOU ARE ONLY AN “EARTH HUMAN”, AND GOD IS LONG SUFFERING WITH US “EARTH HUMANS” YOU SEE, HE UNDERSTANDS ALL OF OUR FAULTS AND DOWNFALLS. HE UNDERSTANDS WE CAN NEVER HAVE THE INFINITE WISDOM OR POWER HE HAS. AND, HE FORGIVES US FOR THAT. HE JUST WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHO HE IS, AND WHAT THE TRUTH IS. GOD SAYS HE IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION. HIS WORD WILL BE THE TRUTH YOU AND I, AND ALL EARTH HUMANS WILL BE JUDGED BY. YOU MIGHT SAY THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AIR, BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT SEE IT, TOUCH IT OR FEEL IT. BUT, THAT DOESNT MEAN IT DOESNT EXIST JUST BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IT DOESNT. JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT BELIEVE IN GOD, DOESNT MEAN HE DOESNT EXIST. AND, THE BIBLE SAYS, ONLY A FOOL WOULD SAY THERE IS NO GOD. THE POINT IS JAKE, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IN GOD OR NOT, YOU WILL SOMEDAY STAND IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD, AND YOU WILL KNOW WITH OUT A DOUBT WHO HE IS. AND, THOUGH YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE IT NOW, THE BIBLE SAYS, EVERY KNEE WILL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD. YEP, THAT MEANS YOU TOO JAKE. THERE WONT BE A MOTHER SHIP COMING TO RESCUE YOU FROM THE PRESENCE OF A HOLY LIVING GOD. AND, HE WILL MOST DEFINITELY HAVE YOUR COMPLETE UNDIVIDED ATTENTION. EVERY ONE OF US WILL FACE OUR CREATOR , FACE TO FACE. YOU CANT ESCAPE THAT DESTINY NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU DONT BELIEVE IT. WE ALLHAVE A PERSONAL UPFRONT, FACE TO FACE, APPOINTMENT WITH THE GOD OF ABRAHAM , ISAAK AND JACOB, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT. ALSO KNOWN AS THE GREAT I AM. HE IS KNOWN IN THE BIBLE BY MANY NAMES, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS, CREATION IS NOT ONE OF HIS NAMES. MOHAMMED IS NOT ONE OF HIS NAMES.. BUDHA IS NOT ONE OF HIS NAMES. YOU ALSO SAID JESUS WAS CALLED JMMANUEL AND HE WAS NOT THE SON OF GOD. YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE NAME IMMANUEL MEANS. IT IS HEBREW. EL MEANING “GOD”. AND IMMANU MEANING “WITH US” THUS THE NAME IMMANUEL IN HEBREW MEANS “GOD WITH US’. NOW, THATS A STRANGE NAME FOR SOMEONE TO GIVE A MERE EARTH HUMAN BABY, EVEN IF HE WAS “ADVANCED”. WOULDNT YOU SAY? BUT, FOR SOME REALLY STRANGE REASON IMMANUEL OR GOD WITH US, MATCHES EXACTLY WHO JESUS SAID HE WAS. THE SON OF GOD. AND DONT FORGET THAT OTHER REALLY STRANGE THING JESUS SAID, IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE SON, YOU HAVE ALSO SEEN THE FATHER. NO MAN COMETH TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY THE SON. HMMMMMMM—NOW I JUST WONDER WHY HE KEPT SAYING THINGS LIKE THAT. OR WHY THOSE PESKY PROPHETS KEPT SAYING(A COUPLE OF THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE) THE MESSIAH WOULD COME AND FULLFILL THE ROLE OF PROPHET, PRIEST, AND KING. (LITTLE FACT FOR YA JAKE. NO OTHER MAN HAS EVER, IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, HELD THE TITLE OF PROPHET, PRIEST, AND KING!) SO, YOU ARE PARTIALLY CORRECT IN SAYING IMMANUEL, “JESUS” WAS A PROPHET. BUT, HE WAS SO MUCH MORE.
ALSO, CREATION IS NOT A PERSON, PLACE OR THING. CREATION IS THE RESULT OF AN ACTION. KIND OF LIKE HOT AND COLD AIR COLLIDING, WHICH RESULTS IN THE SOUND OF THUNDER. WITH OUT THE ACTION OF HOT AND COLD AIR COLLIDING, THERE WOULD BE NO RESULT OF THUNDER. GET IT? THE ACT OF CREATION IS CAUSING SOMETHING TO EXIST, HAPPEN OR BEGIN. SO, THERE HAD TO BE A CREATOR, FOR THERE TO BE A CREATION. ME, YOU, EARTH, THE UNIVERSE ARE THE RESULT OR ACTION OF THE CREATOR THAT CAUSED ALL OF THAT “CREATION ” TO EXIST OR COME INTO BEING, OR HAPPEN. AND, YOU SAY WE WERE NOT CREATED EVIL, WE ARE TAUGHT EVIL. WOW, THATS THE FIRST TIME I EVER HEARD ANYONE SAY THAT. BUT, LET ME ASK YOU. YOU SAY WE WERE NOT CREATED EVIL. SO, WHO DO YOU SAY CREATED US? REMEMBER, THE WORD “CREATED” IS AN ACTION OR RESULT OF. SO, WHO DO YOU SAY WAS THE HAND BEHIND THAT “CREATED” EVENT. AND, DONT GIVE ME THAT B.S. THAT CREATION CREATED THE CREATED. WE BOTH KNOW BETTER. YOU ARE NO DUMMIE, NOR AM I. SO, PLEASE EXPLAIN WHO WAS DOING THE CREATING HERE, THAT YOU REFERRED TO. I WILL BE WAITING TO HEAR FROM YOU WITH GREAT ANTICIPATION.!
P.S. DONT BE ANGRY OR UPSET. SORRY MY FIRST RESPONSE WAS SAYING YOU ARE A LIAR. I DONT MEAN THAT LITERALLY. JUST SAID THAT TO PROVE A POINT. WE ALL BELIEVE IN SOMETHING. CALL IT WHAT YOU WILL, WHETHER RELIGION OR SELF MADE BELIEF. ONE WAY OR OTHER, IT BECOMES OUR SO CALLED RELIGION. OR BELIEF SYSTEM. YOU, JAKE ARE A CURIOUS SUBJECT. I MUST ADMITT. HA
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JHaas…I’m enjoying our discussion but you are so wrong about so many things. One thing being your statement and I quote: “You most certainly BELIEVE SOME STRANGE form of religion.” end quote. Religion is, according to the dictionary: “the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods”…that seems to fit you and not me by any means. Also you seem to get ‘knowing about’ and worship confused when you say, quote: “AND, YOU WORSHIP “CREATION” end quote. Check out what worship means. I don’t worship anything…I have respect for Creation and also for God and the prophets he sent to teach us how to live in order to progress.
You don’t understand Creation. I sure don’t. No human does…our minds can’t conceive it. We can know about it…but it’s so awesome our minds can’t grasp it. The prophets can’t and I don’t believe God does…We know it exist and what it’s done…but that’s about it…anyone tying to explain it is a fool as the “big bang” theorist are.
We, our souls, were/and are being, created by Creation…and as with everything that Creation creates, we were created good, not evil…we had to learn to be evil. Have you ever seen a evil infant? No you haven’t…their surroundings and choices from birth dictate what kind of person they will be…and those in turn sat the stage for their earthly life…which in turn determines where their next life will be. It’s a horrible thing for a human to waste an earthy life by not learning anything about life and how to progress in the life cycle set up by Creation. One day in our earthly lives is like one life in the life cycle…a person must grasp that one point and understand it. In our earthly lives we should learn something each day and make the next day better…in the life cycle we should learn something in each life to make the next one better. Most people don’t learn anything about life in their earthly lives because they are blinded by and controlled by some kind of religion. They don’t learn anything day by day and leave this life without having learned anything about life and really living it free from the bonds of some religion, or they live their earthly lives clueless to anything about life and believing that the end of their earthly life they simply cease to exist. That is one of the main reasons that so many people live lives of crime…they simply don’t believe they have to ‘pay the fiddler’. I believe “hell” is a hot dark planet somewhere in space with no modern technology…and that it is the destination of many people that can’t live and learn as they should…and they must go there to live their next life, or lives, until they learn enough to get back in the life cycle.
Don’t try to psychoanalyze me because you simply can’t…but you can see a little about me here: http://www.blogger.com/profile/16090141774707472799 check out the audio clip also.
Being called a liar is very mild to some of the things I’ve been called…and I’m a little older than you might assume…My beliefs came from a lifetime of research and study…and by the way: Jmmanuel means: “the one with godly knowledge”…that’s Arabic I believe. Jmmanuel was changed to Immanuel by the writers of the Bible to fit their religious agenda or control.
Looking foward for your reply
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A few questions for you: Who created creation? Where did it come from? If our souls were and are being created, they why do we not see people, the earth, plants and animals change or grow as creation moves us forward? Why has mankind remained the same? Why do people lie, steal, and kill generation to generation? I have not seen a general movement of enlightment or advancement from generation to generation. However, I can clearly see, just in my lifetime, a downward track in the way people conduct thier everyday lives. Morals, standards, self discipline, honesty, truthfullness, love, kindness, faithfullness, and everything that should be right or good, has instead, steadily and continually declined and deteriorated over time. In my opinion, things have not continually gotten better due to creation, but instead have continually declined. It doesnt appear to me, that “Creation” has done anything to advance or enlighten this world. Where is the proof of it? The world itself, like humans, seems to be falling and failing from one generation to the next. The past few years especially have been proof of that with catastrophic hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, volcanoes, drought, warming, cooling (which ever you prefer to believe–ha) near fly by of comets, meteors, crop failures, food shortages, new viruses and plagues—the list goes on and on. This world does not appear to be responding well to “creation” . So, where is this “Creation” and how can you justify improvement because of it, when all I see is a continual downward spiral? It appears to me, the more knowledge we aquire, the more intelligent we become ,and the more advancements we reach, has done nothing to improve or advance our level of humaness. In fact, it seems to have worsened it.
You say infants are not born evil. And i do agree with that. But, i have raised 4 children of my own, and i can tell you the sweetest most innocent child will, in a very short time, upon learning to speak, tell you a lie. Ex: Who colored on my wall? child response: “i didnt”. Who made this mess? child response, ” i dont know”. The point is, the more awareness aquired, the less human nature improves. People are not improving or advancing as they age. And yes, they do learn evil early on in this world. So, how do you explain the missing “creation” advancement and improvement theory you have? You seem to think creation is a powerful entity that will move and advance us along from life to life until we reach perfection. However, i have not observed that to be the case. If it were, we would see that powerful change in many people, even in the earth itself—in all of creation. If it were so powerfull to move us to greater understanding and advance us to the next level, surely we would see evidence of it. Sorry Jake, but that theory in my opinion is a ZERO factor in the human circumstance.
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Unholyjake Reply:
February 28th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
JHaas
I don’t know how Creation came about…and I could also ask you do you know who created the God that you worship…but I won’t because I know you don’t have an answer. The answer is as elusive as the answer to: “Where does space end?” isn’t it? There is no intelligent answer that a earth human can come up with and I know some do come up with an answer…but it’s not very intelligent…more like a guess and not a good one at all.
I don’t believe Creation moves us forward. I believe that it gives us the ability to move ourselves forward…and the earth does change…I believe in micro-evolution…but not in the cross spices evolution that Darwin proposed and is taught in the Socialist schools systems here in the US. Neither do I believe that some god picked up some dirt here on this planet and made the complex bodies of humans and animals. I do believe that some being, and I say being for a lack of a better word right off the top of my head, did design and make the first human and animal bodies…as well as anything that has life as we know it. I believe that Creation created the earth and the millions of planets, suns, solar systems and universes, though a process that it set up, and that people/beings from far older universes than ours, brought everything that has life to earth in their travels, and therefore there is really nothing native to earth. Some of the things they brought here survived and others didn’t…either by earth changes or by whatever that put them here coming back and destroying them for some reason. The dinosaurs for example.
Creation don’t control people…humans control their own lives…as much as the government will let them. The only thing you can blame the downward spiral of morals etc. on is humans…and I don’t believe that humans have become more intelligent…they have gained more knowledge, but not more intelligence…and most have decided that they no longer need morals! This has nothing to do with Creation! But when a soul learns how to live it’s earthly life as the one that put hem here wants them to, they advance to another world when their earth body dies. It appears to me that religion has kept people so dumbed down to the truth about life, that most of the people here now are repeating their earthly lives and have done so many times…and will many more time unless they go to Hell for a few lives before they can get back here.
Humans have screwed the weather up! Do you know what chemtrails and weather modification is? Need I say more? The same can be said for bio-weapons. In other words; man, not Creation has screwed this planet up and are continuing to do so each day!
Of course a child will tell you a lie…they have learned that by doing so they can save their ass, or so they think! The first lies they tell have nothing to do with right or wrong…they find it less painful to tell a lie.
Creation doesn’t advance people. You and you alone are responsible for your advancement or regression. I for one sure have learned a lot about life and how it should be lived in the past few years…ever since a heart valve replacement laid me low and I took time to smell the roses. My dad was a Baptist preacher and I had known all along that his religion was BS…but breaking away from a lifetime of religious control was hard to do…but I was determined to find the truth about life while I still had time to enjoy it.
Some of the evidence you see in others of advancement is in the ones that live their lives with morals, kindness, patience, and respect for life and all of nature. They are not controlled by a religion, most are not wealthy, they help others, and none have anything to do with the government or military…They are not depressed, stressed out, trying to control others, and they enjoy their lives…they will live their next life on a more advanced planet.
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Hello Jake. Sorry to hear about your heart episode. Hope you are doing, and feeling much better.
There are many things about this world, life, the Universe and God that we do not know for sure, and will not know as long as we are earth bound in this life. But, the Bible says, (and i dont recall the book or chapter) we will know all things and why they were, when we are in the presence of God. Our questions will all be answered, and we will then understand. Until then, we are required to have faith and trust God completely. And, I just believe, God had a reason for not allowing us the ” all knowing ” wisdom He has. Gods wisdom, in the hands of mankind, would be POWER. And, you and I know how man would abuse that power to his own benefit.—against this world, and everyone in it. And, even against God Himself, if that were possible. If you read the book of Genesis, there are passages that speak of an angel, (God created being) that chose to rebel against God his Creator. And, one third of the angels in heaven rebelled with him and followed him. The Bible says, they came to this earth and were giving the “secrets of God” to humans and trying to breed a race of angel/man that would also rebel against God and his plan for mankind. It also says humans were created a little lower than the angels. We were not given the intelligence, power or physical/spiritual abilities of angels. That angel of authority was named Lucifer, or Satan. And the one third of angels who followed him in his rebellion against God, are what the Bible refers to as demons, the princes of the air, and evil spirits. They are the ones who taught mankind evil and wickedness, and rebellion against God. Because of that rebellion (sin) all mankind is born with a sinful nature. As we discussed earlier, we both agree even innocent children will choose to lie, rather than tell the truth, because it is within thier nature to do so. I did not teach my children to lie. It just comes naturally to humans young and old because of our sin nature. But, I believe, God does not hold innocents (children) accountable for thier sins, until they reach the age of awareness, and know in thier hearts (souls) the difference between right and wrong, good and bad. The Bible says we are all given a measure of faith, and I believe that is also a measure of God and His Nature of Holiness, Rightousness and Love. And I also believe we choose whether we listen to that part of our nature, or the part that chooses to rebel against God. (the sin nature). Well, it is alot more detailed and complicated than I explained it, but in depth research and study in the Bible reveals it all. I personally have so much more to learn and study, so, I am sometimes limited in my understanding of it all.
You should not be opposed to reading the Bible, as it is Gods Holy Word. It does not represent religion of any kind, or propose the advancement of any religion. If you read the Bible, you will see how Christ was against the jewish rabbis who had turned from Gods laws to benefit and profit themselves. To glorify themselves, rather than God. And, all through out the old testament, it speaks of Gods anger toward the Israelites for thier sins against Him, because He had chosen them to reveal Himself to the world, through Christ and His Word. They often chose to follow the ways of this world, worshipping idols and pagen beliefs, rather than Gods law. And, He punished them for it. So, i dont find it a reasonable arguement to say the Jews wrote the Bible, to benefit themselves, and control others. Why would they have chosen to be persecuted, murdered and enslaved? That makes no sense what so ever. They did not choose that for themselves. God punished them for rebelling against Him and His laws. If it were their choice, these things would never have happened to them or continue to happen to them to this day. In fact, it was the San Hedrons (the jewish religious leaders) who demanded Christ be crucified for saying He was the Son of God. In the Bible it also speaks of Christ going to the temple and becoming so angered he threw out the money changers for desecrating Gods Holy temple. So, your arguement,( and obvious dislike of the jewish people,) doesnt hold water in my opinion–in regards to whom you believe wrote, manipulated and dispersed thier own religion and beliefs. That arguement just doesnt have any merit. Most jews today do not believe in the Bible or believe the Messiah has ever come, inspite of the prophecies thier own people scribed and pass down through out thier entire history. And, God has held them accountable for that. Like the Bible says, “to whom much is given, much is expected”. But, God is forgiving and mercifull in all His ways, and the Bible says He will again bring His chosen back to thier land, and will cause them to know He is thier God and they are His people. How do you explain the great jewish return to the land of Israel? That is a prophecy that is thousands of years old, being fullfilled today in our lifetime. Why would they choose to return to a land where they are continuously bombed, murdered, kidnapped, and persecuted on a daily basis? They could choose to live in areas where they are no longer persecuted and afflicted. So, why would they go back to that? I believe God is calling them back so that His plan for this world will be fullfilled as written. There is no other explaination. And, I believe those beings you spoke of, who came to earth to teach man how to live and advance, and who you say brought life here or “creation” are the very same beings the Bible refers to as fallen angels in rebellion against God. They are fighting for this world and every soul on this planet, past present and future. There is a spiritual war going on in the heavens (sky) that is coming to this earth. The prophet Daniel spoke to an Angel of God, Gabriel, who told Daniel, “I would have been here sooner, but i was held up in battle with the prince of Persia.(Daniel 10:13). So, this is an ancient battle, that will soon come to our earth, if it hasnt already. But, the book of Revelation tells us, who is the victor of the battel. And, it is Christ. He will come and destroy all evilness and wickedness on this earth, and will cast satan and his demons in hell for all eternity. Those who chose to follow satan and his ways will be given the punishment they chose when they followed him, rather than Christ and Gods laws. Those who followed Christ will be rewarded with eternal life in the presence of God. Why would anyone choose hell? You said you believe there is a hell. Why would you choose that for yourself? When, you could have the reward that comes in following Christ? I just can not understand, why, with your intelligence you would choose eternal damnation and punishment. You say on your web page you enjoy boating, nature, photography, and family. Why do you believe you could never enjoy life and all those wonderful things, if you chose to follow Christ? He is the creator of all things, And, He put them here for us to enjoy. He created those things so that we would know who He is and glorify Him for it. He didnt give us those things to worship or idolize, He gave us those things so that we could see Him in it, and give Him the glory for it. Jake, creation does not advance anything, (like you agree) and creation doesnt create anything. Creation Is the Handiwork of God and God alone. And, why do you blame God, for the religion and false beliefs that man has created, with the help of Satan? You say above, “breaking away from a lifetime of religious control was hard to do, but i was determined to find the truth about life while i still had time to enjoy it.” Do you not realize, this is the very same thing Christ did? He shattered the control and false beliefs of religion, and was crucified for it. Yet, that was His plan of salvation for all. He proved He was the Son of God, by defeating sin, death and the grave, when He rose again. Had He not been crucified (as prophecied) and shed his blood, for the remission (payment) of our sins, he would have had no purpose in coming here. We would all be condemned already, just because of our sinful nature. Jesus Christ was the Messiah, Saviour of the world, God with us. Without the sacrifice of His Holy, sinless blood, we and our blood would be held accountable. But, our blood is of a sin nature, and is not acceptable for sacrifice in Gods Holy Rightousness. God’s Rightousness can not, and will not allow sin to thrive in His presence. So, He had to find a pure, sinless blood to make that sacrifice in our behalf. He chose His Son, because there was no other rightous blood. Christ was called the sacrificial Lamb of God. Without His Holy Blood and sacrifice on the cross, we and our souls would have no hope.
I dont mean to pick apart your character or motives, but it seems to me, you hold an anger against your father, the Baptist preacher, who apparently controlled you through, and because of his religious beliefs. Again Jake, he was a man. Not God. He did that to you, Not God. I think you blame God for that, or because of that. Your father, right or wrong, was a mere human being who makes mistakes, has faults and is far from being perfect. I think you blame his religion, all religions, for what ever unhappiness your father may have caused you. Or, perhaps you were a rebellious, head strong child who refused to follow the rules or accept appropriate behaviour. Many children, for what ever reasons, are that way, —-against all thier parents try to teach them. In fact, all children, will rebell against thier parents, and against authority at some point in thier lives. That is not unusual and certainly not unheard of. I rebelled against my parents as well. But, as an adult , with children of my own, I realize, most of the reasons why i rebelled, and why my parents were the way they were. Like you, I was also raised in the Baptist religion. And, I must admitt, there were many rules that just did not seem fair or needed—that were placed there by the Baptist beliefs. No dancing. No drinking. No everything, it seemed like to me. And, my parents and family strictly abided by those rules. They believed it made them more Godly, and an example to others. And, the punishment for violating those rules was harsh. As an adult, i can now understand the lesson, standards and morals they tried to instill in me, even though perhaps they sometimes went about it the wrong way. I have had to accept that and move on, while making sure I didnt do the same to my own children in the process. And, i had to make a choice as well. Did I want to hate my parents for it, or forgive them? I chose to forgive them, because that is what Christ says we must do. Where would we all be if Christ chose not to forgive our sins?. LOST! so, He asks that we forgive others, including our enemies. And, now as an adult, I am thankful for the standards, morals, beliefs and lessons my parents taught me. I have tried to instill the same in my own children to the best of my ability. And, I am happy to say, I have 4 children who are loving, kind, gentle, giving, law abiding, adults, who try to help those in need, give what they have if someone needs it more, and are kind and loving to everyone they meet. They are also all Christian. It wasnt always easy or good. I had 4–two boys and two girls, so everything that could have gone wrong–went wrong. i spent many nights crying and praying for children who were being sucked into the things of this world that could only lead to personal disaster and disappointment. But, just like you and i , they had to figuar that out for themselves. And, because of that, I have learned many things from my own children that are absolutely amazing. And, through it all, i know without a doubt, it was the hand of God who brought them and me through those trying times. They are all now young adults with thier first children coming along. And they are amazing parents and people. I dont know what your circimstances were, but, I hope you do not blame God, for what humans have done to you or against you. The last thing Christ is, is controlling. His Love, is freedom and peace. Like He said, “Peace that passes all understanding” not the peace this world gives, but His peace that breaks all the bondage of sin, blame, fault, unhappiness, and slavery to this world. Through Christ you can achieve perfect fullfillment and enjoyment of life. The way it was created to be, and the way we were created to be. We were not created to be controlled, and persecuted and held down by this world. We were created in Gods image, to be full of joy and hope and peace and love and happiness. It is the sins of man that have made this world the place it is. You say you were determined to find the truth about life while you still had time to enjoy it. I plead with you to find Christ, and you will find the truth you search for, as well as the peace and freedom to enjoy the rest of your life on this earth, as well as eternal life with Christ. Without Christ, you will never find that peace and fullfillment in this world or the next. You will only find and empty man made peace that will fail you when you need it most. Choose Christ, and life, before you pass into eternity. Choose it now Jake, while you still can! I will continue to pray for you, and ask the Lord to reveal Himself to you. I will also ask the Lord to guard and protect your health so that you can make your choice for Him before it is too late. I look forward to hearing from you.
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JHass…you seem to be a real nice caring person but you have a problem with religion…you are controlled by it and you just don’t realize it…the same as everyone else. Your thoughts about, ‘God’s chosen people’, are nothing more than a religious view, forwarded by ‘jews” that are not anything more that people that have chosen Judaism as their religion to try to control everyone else. You simply have God and Creation confused…mixed up. and you also have Jmmanuel mixed up with God…religion did that for you. Then I read a little more and I see that you also have angles confused…and I would like for you to tell me about heaven.
I completely disagree with you that mankind is born with a sinful nature…they learn it.
I have this to say about the bible being God’s words…that’s absurd…don’t take my word for it…research it and see when the bible was written…and by who…and it does advance religion. If you do a little research…you will find that you are wrong about your statement and I quote: “Christ was against the jewish rabbis who had turned from Gods laws to benefit and profit themselves. To glorify themselves, rather than God. And, all through out the old testament, it speaks of Gods anger toward the Israelites for their sins against Him, because He had chosen them to reveal Himself to the world, through Christ and His Word.” end quote.
God created three races of people here on earth…and notice I didn’t say created men…but races. A very big difference. He didn’t choose one over the other…and to say that Jmmanuel is the son of God is also absurd…using your Bible, show me one time where Jmmanuel say’s that he is the son of God. Gabriel is Jmmanuel’s earthly father so how do you say that he was an Israelite when his earthly father is not from this world?
I resent your statement, quote: “You said you believe there is a hell. Why would you choose that for yourself?” end quote.
I haven’t chosen hell! I’ve chosen to live my my life by Creation’s and God’s laws and commandants…not some religion that keeps me dumbed down to the truth about life.
You are correct when you say I hold anger against my father for the religious beliefs he forced on me…when I found out how wrong he was, and what religion was based on…I was determined to rise about it by learning the truth about God, Creation, and how God wants us to live our earthly lives. I like you am thankful for the morals and standards my parents instilled in me, even though I do fall off the wagon once in a while…and that reminds me I’m a earth human.
My health is great now…I…not the Dr.’s improved it by learning what I was supposed to eat and drink…in other words I took responsibility for my health just as I have for my life…by doing research and learning the things that that are important to a good healthy life. I can’t blame anyone except me and me alone for anything that has happened to me during my life. I caused the good and the bad, by decisions I made on what I’d learned and how much I researched the info before I acted on it, and when I acted no one but me made the decisions I’ve made.
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HELLO JAKE,
OK, I SUPPOSE WE WILL JUST HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE ON THE SUBJECTS WE HAVE DISCUSSED. IT IS OBVIOUS, WE HAVE BOTH CHOSEN OUR PATHS IN LIFE AND ARE HAPPY WITH THEM. I AM KIND OF HARD HEADED THAT WAY, AS I SUPPOSE YOU ARE AS WELL.
BUT, I HAVE ENJOYED OUR DISCUSSIONS AND I AM GLAD TO HEAR YOUR HEALTH IS MUCH IMPROVED. WITH SPRING COMING SOON, I SUPPOSE YOU WILL BE BACK OUT IN THAT BOAT ENJOYING YOURSELF, AND SNAPPING MORE PICS OF THE BEAUTY YOU SEE. YOU SHOULD POST SOME OF THEM ON YOUR PAGE. THAT WOULD BE NICE. I AM ALSO AN OUTDOOR, FISHERMAN , NATURE LOVER. AND, HAVE A BOAT THAT I REALLY ENJOY SO MUCH. SO, I KNOW HOW MUCH FUN ALL OF THAT CAN BE.
WELL, I WISH YOU WELL JAKE, AND HOPE YOUR LIFE IS BLESSED. THANKS FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONVERSATION AND INSIGHT. IT HAS BEEN VERY INTERESTING! TAKE CARE, AND MAYBE I WILL VISIT YOUR PAGE NOW AND THEN AND DROP YOU A HELLO.
HAPPY BOATING!
JHAAS
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